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Opinions are mixed on Disney’s presentation for The Avengers at D23, the yearly fan expo for all things Disney. On the one hand, they showed a new trailer (twice); but on the other hand, that was all they showed, letting down some who expected Disney to pull out all the stops after waffling on Marvel’s participation at San Diego Comic Con.

The new footage, introduced by the principal cast, featured more Loki, positioning him as The Avengers’ number one bad guy, and, from the sound of it, a surprising amount of discussion concerning the Hulk (though the character was only featured in the closing shot of the new teaser). Fans went nuts for the following exchange